First Month of $5k + ! - Page 2

**SYSOP** · #41 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 03:20 PM

EDIT: Tiger beat me to it...

Correct me if i'm wrong, but it will be your first product?

I'd actually recommend you NOT do MMO mate - there's still things you don't know that you don't know... Just a personal suggestion, I'd focus on monetizing average joe/jane not other marketers (yet), it truly is a shark pool even if your methods and guides really are sliced bread.

brada7x · #42 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 03:51 PM

This would be my first product.

Yeah, I know there's still a good deal to learn. That's why I was making this aimed more at beginning marketer's than anything. And, as mentioned, this guide wouldn't be coming out for a good while. Like, maybe toward mid - late NEXT year.

This would give me room to put a lot more new found knowledge into it and really make it something of value. I'm not necessarily going to make this my first product. It's something that's going to be in the works in the background for a while.

I haven't taken a prod at the vendor world yet. But thanks for the warning about hopping into the MMO niche. I know it's a ball busting niche to try to crack into. Which is why I was going to develop my brand & blog before I even attempted to release any products within the niche.

Right now I'm going to be focusing on becoming a "super affiliate" before moving on to the vendor world. Personally I think it's important to know the ins and outs of being an affiliate to really know how to be a good vendor - i.e being able to provide all necessary tools and being able to provide the best assistance to affiliates to further your product's success.

And I also want to be able to go through promoting more products to learn more about trends, what works to be able to stand out even in high competition niches and how to create even more successful campaigns than what I've already experienced.

**SYSOP** · #43 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brada7x

I think it's important to know the ins and outs of being an affiliate to really know how to be a good vendor

This.

If you're thinking 1+ years from now, then ok. Because a) 5K/month is good, however it's not consistency or retirement money levels yet, and could fluctuate a lot (hopefully in your favor) b) 4-5 months of learning and starting to teach already = risky, and yeah no matter how noob you may be there are always those more noob than you, it's just still pointless to attack that demo if you haven't mastered the aff game yet, even in that niche.

Picture whatever you're doing now, but with VA's, with double/triple your budget daily, and with 3-4 adwords accounts as an aff... If something is working for you, and you're actually growing = SCALE LIKE A MOFO and forget about the MMO idea until THIS dries up.

I don't think you realize the importance of what's happening right in front of you right now, because it's your first profitable set of campaigns - you don't know that by next month something 'might happen', you should ASAP scale profitable campaigns as much as you can and monitor closely - milk it - fast track the customers that are left in your niche on a bigger scale daily until you cap out. Most don't have your quick success right - most grow slow and when they hit, they just get excited - and let potentially double/triple their income slip away because they didn't scale/maximize their profitable growing campaign. (i.e. this is not the time to be thinking of MMO products

)

Anyway back to your MMO - by the time you launch that thing, you'll have a few products under your belt, and your tactics WILL change, you'll end up re-writing it in a year or laugh at yourself for almost releasing a noob guide (trust me I did this, my first product was projectwealthy.com < made every mistake possible thinking I was hot shit, and I was, just ill-prepared).

SirKhan · #44 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 04:14 PM

Ok a year or year n a half is a lot of time, you could start building your MMO list until then and beat Vadym by getting more than 100K members this year

Then when the time's right you'll have a list that trusts you and will buy your course without hesitation.

brada7x · #45 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 04:15 PM

UPDATE -

Got a bit of good news about 5 minutes ago.

I wasn't getting credit for all sales of one particular product last month due to a tracking error. Ok, that's not good news, is it?

No. But, I contacted the vendor about the issue and she backtracked the whole month and found 65 sales that hadn't been credited to me that should have been and is paying me for them.

So.... that added up to $1500 worth of sales.

So.... I actually made $7,000, not $5.5 k.

Nice surprise, right?

brada7x · #46 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SirKhan

Ok a year or year n a half is a lot of time, you could start building your MMO list until then and beat Vadym by getting more than 100K members this year

Then when the time's right you'll have a list that trusts you and will buy your course without hesitation.

Dude, if I broke 100k members this year I think I'd beat off to my member list each night before I went to bed. Lol.

But in all seriousness, I am looking to accomplish much bigger things - i.e. becoming a respectable source. Not just some one off website.

I'll be doing a lot of scaling and such. I'm taking a week vacation starting tomorrow, but when I get back I'll be hitting things harder than ever. This is gonna be my year :-P

SirKhan · #47 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 04:25 PM

Who said don't become a respectable source? Wait, list building equals becoming a whore and selling your soul to the devil? Nope

BUT
If I had the knowledge to make profitz on PPCz I would not consider anything else until like I have my BMW X6 and a huge flat on top of a skyscraper. And a yacht. And a heli. And... So take Norb's advice and scale it up like crazy! If you're up to some challenge (and that's why you want to become a vendor) then here's a challenge: teach me how to ppc, I bet you can't huh? Prove me wrong come on you phussy

Joking Lol. It's late here...

mill123 · #48 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 05:24 PM

could release a WSO of some sort. but im with norb for now. just get your biz running steadily and build up a list using DP and WF etc. then smack it with a product later in the year.

bruusk · #49 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 08:23 PM

This is not expert advice, cause I am not a vendor (yet) and I don't plan to enter the MMO niche ever.

However I am on a LOT of marketing lists for almost 2 years now, and I read MMO pitches and watch videos every single day, just to get better at marketing, and for my amusement. I think I have a very good feel for what works in this market and what doesn't.

So I will politely disagree with what's been said before:

If I were in Brada's position I WOULD release my methods in a MMO product, only condition would be if some big shot would want to team up with me.

Why?

The novelty of being at this for only 4 or 5 months and getting yourself to 5k a month is GOLD. Any newb will eat that stuff up. Heck, as you can see in this thread many of the "oldtimers" here are prying to get some insight. It is intriguing, it shows that wealth is around the corner for who-ever puts their mind to it. And that's the dream that MMO is selling.

Even for non-noobs the prospect of an easy extra income stream will be hard to resist. If they have been at it for years, then this new guys method must be easy for them to implement so they can subplement their income.

So in a nutshel: Very broad and very intense appeal to the market.

Quite often you will see a launch where guru this-and-that (alex goad for example) found this "diamond in the rough" underground marketer that is hitting it big, and he "cornered him and pried the method from him" or whatever copy works for you.

I am convinced that the short time in the industry, and the convenient income level combined are hitting the most important sweet spots of this market.

Of course you (Brada) can wait a year and a half and release a full fledged course, but you will have wasted these 2 elements that you can wield right now to create a quick and big windfall.

It would not discredit you either if you want to release MMO stuff later, because who could blame you for something that you released when you were only 5 months in the game? If anything, you will have built "enfant terrible" reputation, even if the product will be flawed at some points.

To get back at the point I made in the beginning: It would be wise to team up with some bigger name, to get around the pitfalls AND to assure there will be big lists involved.

OK this is just my take on it, and once again I'm pretty much an outsider as I never released anything MMO.

There is a story here, and that's what people want. True fairytales.

brada7x · #50 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 09:19 PM

@bruusk

You hit on a lot of good points but the product isn't even anywhere near ready. If I were to release it this year it wouldn't be nearly up to par and wouldn't be as detailed as it needs to be.

If I was more experienced in the niche I'd give more thought about releasing it soon, but I'll wait to make a name for myself, learn more so that I can add more value to it and then release it. And that will be down the road.

bruusk · #51 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 09:52 PM

Fair enough. I hope you don't mind me staying on your case just for another moment as it is IMO an example besides being your life & biz which is obviously your choice. My response was (also) aimed at people saying it is pre-mature to release such a product.

The method practiced is probably not unheard of, I have read some of Brada's posts and I am pretty sure I have at least 90% of what he does down, and many others will as well. Brada combines a relatively well-known SEO method with a strong work ethic. (my take)

Therefore I think that the method is vulnerable to broad exploitation, even when he releases no product at all. In a year and a half this might (?) be saturated, but more importantly the opportunity for a quick CB hit will definitely be gone.

I don't want to discourage you Brada, and much more advanced-in-this-biz and more succesful people than me have had their say in this thread and they encouraged you to do as you chose so you can feel re-enforced by their opinion.

Its just that I see a wasted opportunity to bank on a big demand in the market, and your unique position to supply to that demand in the market atm.

brada7x · #52 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 10:03 PM

I may give it a bit more thought.

As you've mentioned previously, the chance of this becoming a true success will rely heavily on whether or not I could get a heavy hitter backing it. This is mainly due to the fact that I am not in the MMO niche much at the moment. I have a small list of about 35 for it due to not working on it.

So it would be crucial to get bigger names that actually have lists to want to hit on it.

bruusk · #53 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 10:40 PM

Yep that's what I'd do. Alex Goad just has a launch going at the moment, but Saj P (one of his buddies who had several #1 CB hits) is very approachable I can try to link you to him.

Other people here have way more reach than I have and they may or may not feel inclined to help you/get a piece of your pie.

Also the nay-sayers may want to weigh in some more? Once again all this is not my strong point and you may want to listen to them more.

**SYSOP** · #54 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 10:43 PM

+1 Brussky good points over all. I'll still stand by my comments but you are correct, this could all work in his favor, or he could miss xx,xxx or xxx,xxx on currently profitable growing campaigns that may not be here next week/month...

(getting a big name to back it - I think it would be hard - most big names usually just tell stories, why bother actually using someone like Brada when my affiliate JohnSmith used my imaginary new exploit/course and banked 100k/day - proof right here, and then I visited someone more profitable than Gates and Chavez combined, and put a gun to his head while he wrote his secrets on a napkin in his blood, that trick alone netted me 450K - here's proof... >> ... ).

bruusk · #55 (**permalink**) 03-11-2010, 11:11 PM

LMAO

keep away from me Norb with your big Epenis... I am wearing my tinfoil hat and not afraid to use it!

Still Brada he's probably right but I will try the limited reach I have to check some ppl if you want. Also maybe some lurker bigshots may read this? I'd say step in and take advantage, nothing as cool for your list as a true story.

**Ganceann** · #56 (**permalink**) 03-12-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bruusk

LMAO

keep away from me Norb with your big Epenis... I am wearing my tinfoil hat and not afraid to use it!

Still Brada he's probably right but I will try the limited reach I have to check some ppl if you want. Also maybe some lurker bigshots may read this? I'd say step in and take advantage, nothing as cool for your list as a true story.

Also... just adding... the product could be a leading product that helps Brada build is list for a full launch at a later time (with more experience and complete video tutorials etc). The basic strategy could be launched (with a known JV) for a lower price.

I do think it is too early to launch a complete course covering everything. However, there is enough information to make a smaller product that can cover how he went from nothing -> $5k+ ($7k) per month. It is real. It is possible. It requires dedication. The window of opportunity is always open on this... but whether it is half-open or half-closed is another matter.

SirKhan · #57 (**permalink**) 03-12-2010, 03:30 AM

After reading all the posts I'm with Ganceann 100%. I advised before to build a list so you have one when you launch your big product in the future and a miniproduct is perfect for that. They will trust you, you can make some extra cash and grow your own MMO list at the same time.

Fk now I'm thinking about my own mmo product!

**bl4ckmaN^** · #58 (**permalink**) 03-12-2010, 10:12 AM

Also when launching an MMO product it's important to exactly identify your audience.

Are you going to help existing affiliate marketers to make more money or teach newbies how to get started? Keep that mind.

brada7x · #59 (**permalink**) 03-12-2010, 06:12 PM

Well now that I've seen more opinions on the matter I can say that building a list is a golden idea. That would allow me to capitalize on it with my product and with any MMO product that I see fit.

I haven't focused a lot of effort on building a list yet. Stupid, I know. But that's another reason why I'm looking at building a brand & blog in the niche.

Maybe I'll just start by putting together a good 15-20 page ebook to give away as a freebie to attract list subscribers and then a couple months later release a mini product within the niche (60-70ish? pages) and, finally, much later down the road, release the full on product.

This will allow me to build up trust and respect in the niche for a good while before I even decide to push out a large scale product.

I will be focusing on helping newbies out to begin with, though. I don't think there is much I can tell current marketers that are probably making more than I and have been for a while.

izzdragon1980 · #60 (**permalink**) 03-23-2010, 03:58 PM

This was very quality info brad...thank you thank you from a noob...ps I think doing a video is a great idea...and doing one solely on ppc would be perfect

JeffT · #61 (**permalink**) 06-04-2010, 08:51 AM

I've been doing IM for a year and haven't made more than $50 in a month which is completely my fault. Some people just know how to succeed. Other people (like me) just fail and continue to fail year after year. I wish I had the work ethic that you have but I just don't and probably never will. I spend 12 hours reading forums and ebooks everyday and probably an hour a week making new content. The last website I built was in March just to give you an idea. I tried doing article marketing but got completely burned out after about my 15th article. How the heck did you write 20 articles? Are you still doing that method to this day?

I have no motivation to work hard at this which is sad but I just don't. It's like I'm fine with living at home at the age of 25 and having no money. I'd love to be rich and make big bucks but I just don't have the drive for it. Mad props to you man, I wish I had the work ethic like you. I've probably put in a total of 20 hours of real work since January. The rest of my time is spent reading forums. fml

The bottom line to you new people out there is a common trend among the ones that do well and the ones that make nothing, like me. The ones that do well have one thing in common: focus. Other traits they have are the drive and the work ethic to spend all day building, writing, optimizing, etc. and it pays off and pays off quick. The rest of the crowd, which is like 90% or something, don't know how to just focus and get shit done. I've NEVER been able to focus on just one thing and finish it my entire life. It's why I'm still an undergrad in college after 7 years and changing my major 6 times.

Hopefully I can change, but if there's anything I've learned in life its that people never change. You are who you are. Sorry to be a downer. And the sad part is that I'll go to bed again tonight wishing I was making money and mad at myself for not doing anything. And then I'll wake up again, read forums and do the same fucking thing that I've been doing for the past 12 months, which is twiddle my thumbs and get jack shit done. GOD FML! LOL

Let this post be an inspiration for new people to push you to focus focus focus. Don't be a failure like me. It's not fun having no money for 12 months. My social life has gone to crap along with a lot of other things. My parents are always on me about getting a 'real' job. I can't go out and spend money because I'm broke. I still owe old roommates rent checks. I haven't been laid in 14 months. I wasn't able to vacation in Europe with my mom and my brothers. Let my shitty life be your motivation! Shit, just typing this up makes me want to work and that is saying something. But I'm going to bed I'm beat.

DanielLambert · #62 (**permalink**) 06-04-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffT

I've been doing IM for a year and haven't made more than $50 in a month. That's really impressive to be doing so well so fast. Some people just know how to succeed. Other people (like me) just fail and continue to fail year after year. I wish I had the work ethic that you have but I just don't and never will. I spend 12 hours reading forums and ebooks everyday and an hour or so messing around with my sites. The last website I built was in March. I have no motivation to work. I've accepted the fact that my life is a failure. I tried doing article marketing but got completely burned out after about my 15th article. How the heck did you write 20 articles? Are you still doing that method to this day? Mad props to you man, I simply don't have the work ethic that you do and it's why I still live at home at 25 and a complete loser.

You are never going to succeed with that attitude.

submp3s · #63 (**permalink**) 06-04-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffT

I spend 12 hours reading forums and ebooks everyday and probably an hour a week making new content.

Just flip this ratio and you will be successful - less time reading, more time taking action. Even mass failure builds up to success imo, and my experience. If you break anything that I do down to the short term you could argue it is a failure... not in the long term / when these "failures" all come together.

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Originally Posted by JeffT

Hopefully I can change, but if there's anything I've learned in life its that people never change. You are who you are. Sorry to be a downer. And the sad part is that I'll go to bed again tonight wishing I was making money and mad at myself for not doing anything. And then I'll wake up again, read forums and do the same fucking thing that I've been doing for the past 12 months, which is twiddle my thumbs and get jack shit done. GOD FML! LOL

Let this post be an inspiration for new people to push you to focus focus focus. Don't be a failure like me. It's not fun having no money for 12 months. My social life has gone to crap along with a lot of other things. My parents are always on me about getting a 'real' job. I can't go out and spend money because I'm broke. I still owe old roommates rent checks. I haven't been laid in 14 months. I wasn't able to vacation in Europe with my mom and my brothers. Let my shitty life be your motivation! Shit, just typing this up makes me want to work and that is saying something. But I'm going to bed I'm beat. I won't be able take this bullshit for much longer. I need some drugs.

If it's one thing I've learnt in life it's that people CAN CHANGE - but only through MASSIVE ACTION.

I can relate to a lot of this, I just smoked weed for 6 years solid pretty much and did little else. I cut that shit out and refocused myself, and started taking massive action in new directions and a couple of years later my entire life was completely different, money, health, love life, business, social life - everything.

The only difference is you have to really make up your mind to change - I did it by making a plan, a written plan of where i wanted to go, and I journaled a lot of my progress; not openly, but just a personal journal of where I was going, what I wanted etc. I made myself accuntable, even if only to myself, and just stuck to my plan and kept working towards my goal no matter what.

One thing that really sticks with me is that failure isn't really real - it's only a matter of perception. If youre failing then youre on the right path imo - the only real falure, imo, is lack of action - that is REAL FAILURE.

You havn't been layed in 14 months - is this from approaching 1000 women and getting blown out? No, I reckon you have approached none? 3? Do you think that if you did approach 1000 women over the next 14 months, say Hi, and ask for a number / date you would still not be getting layed? (and it is layed btw, laid is what happens to an egg :P)
You make $50 a month and spend 1 hour a day "messing around" with your sites... ^^ as above, if you spent 10 hours a day working and 1 hour on forums do you think you would still be in the same situation?

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Originally Posted by JeffT

I've learned in life its that people never change. You are who you are. Sorry to be a downer. And the sad part is that I'll go to bed again tonight wishing I was making money and mad at myself for not doing anything.

If you think like this then this is exactly what will happen. I used to be fat, I used to smoke, it took me ages, and multiple attempts to put these things right - multiple failures over years, and I must of "quit" smoking 10x :P but the difference came when I didn't just "want to" quit smoking, but when I set a definite date, bought some patches, alienated myself from smoking related activities for those first few days... with weight loss / exercise when I started a real healthy eating plan, with planned out meals, and a strict exercise written plan - basically when I made a solid commitment, and a real change of behaviour and took MASSIVE ACTION.

I'll bet you've never even written a plan of action, I'm not saying you have to, many don't, and it just might not be right for you, but take massive action and do things differently, make a commitment to yourself and make yourself accountable - to yourself or others.

You say you can't change, yet you highlight all the reasons why you are not successful, just man-up and make a change, a real change through massive action... I don't know any other way, I am a real case of "all or nothing" in anything I do, and I can't imagine being successful in anything without really taking massive action over a prolonged period towards it - some f***ing Guru once said that "people massively overestimate what they can achieve in 1 month but massively under-estimate what they can achieve in 2 years"... I think it's right though...
I'm not going to say "good luck", there's no such thing, only taking action or not, and that is the only reason you are failing.

JeffT · #64 (**permalink**) 06-04-2010, 12:36 PM

The majority of my post is the truth but it was written in fun as well. I'm not actually depressed or anything like that, I do have a good like and I'm thankful for everything got despite being poor. But I do want newbies to read it and think "damn, I better focus so I'm not in the same spot in 12 months!" :P

In regards to failure, my attitude is fail. My lack of focus and work ethic is why I've not been able to succeed and I understand that. Now I can either keep on failing for the rest of my life, or I can stop failing and actually focus and do work. I've definitely learned a lot and I agree that failure from work is a learning experiences. But where I fail is I don't do anything. In that sense, I fail. My sites that never took off, good learning experience. It's not that I don't take action, it's just that I take very little :P

Your post has definitely shown me how I need to get to work. I want to try Brada's article method out, but with googles long-tail algorithm change last month, articles dropped off the search engines. I wonder if Brada is still doing his article method? Might have to find an alternative to this. Not looking forward to writing 20 articles. I can usually write about 300 words per day and that's about it. I hate writing. I was trying to do 1 article per day with EZA and I quit after the 4th day lol. God I wish I had money to outsource... I would outsource EVERYTHING.

Btw keeping a journal is a great idea. I don't got an IM accountability partner!

brada7x · #65 (**permalink**) 06-04-2010, 12:50 PM

^^

Jeff I couldn't agree more with what has already been said here.

I actually wrote out a plan of action for myself. I have a notebook that I have at my desk at all times that has what I need to do each day written out in detail. I've said before that pacing yourself works wonders and that is no lie. I schedule myself to do certain tasks for x amount of time each day. There's rarely a moment that I'm not doing something productive.

And I do set aside an hour or so to hop on forums like NC and browse around for a bit. Mainly to see if there are any new products that are worth a damn and to make a post once in a while. Honestly, I don't spend much time on forums anymore. It's one of the least productive things to do. Not saying you can't find some golden information in them but, in all reality, even if you just take the most basic strategy and work on it for 12 hours a day instead of being on a forum, you'll see success with it.

You've already outlined your exact faults. All you have to do now is act on it.

And about the method I've listed here...

I use this method still to date with great success. There is a small variation to it... I mainly use articles for purely backlinks now and point them at content sites rather than just landing pages. Personally, I see landing pages as being a thing of the past and long-term, SEO'd content sites will be the way to go. This is something I'm working on diligently and I can't be conclusive about it as I haven't been doing for very long, but I have a couple new sites that are ranking very well already.

JeffT · #66 (**permalink**) 06-05-2010, 05:28 AM

Awesome. I'm going to be doing this for sure. I'm in the process of building my entire daily and weekly schedules along with keeping a journal. I'll definitely be working hard from here on out!

I take it that you're still using Articlesbase for this? I noticed their links are nofollow but if it's working for you, then I'll use them. It's great that they allow links in the body. What sort of call to action do you use in the article to entice clicks? And in regards to sites, I also have several niche sites that I'm going to be redoing. I've only done the story kind of presell so far. What works best for you? Here's 1 of my sites: Acne Scarring Treatment. I'd love for you to critique it. I just completely redid the presell and I think it's much more soft than before. But I'd love to know what you're having success with since you're doing well on adwords and stuff.

Thanks man! I owe you big time.

DanielLambert · #67 (**permalink**) 06-05-2010, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffT

Awesome. I'm going to be doing this for sure. I'm in the process of building my entire daily and weekly schedules along with keeping a journal. I'll definitely be working hard from here on out!

I take it that you're still using Articlesbase for this? I noticed their links are nofollow but if it's working for you, then I'll use them. It's great that they allow links in the body. What sort of call to action do you use in the article to entice clicks? And in regards to sites, I also have several niche sites that I'm going to be redoing. I've only done the story kind of presell so far. What works best for you? Here's 1 of my sites: Acne Scarring Treatment. I'd love for you to critique it. I just completely redid the presell and I think it's much more soft than before. But I'd love to know what you're having success with since you're doing well on adwords and stuff.

Thanks man! I owe you big time.

You repeat the word scars to many times, makes it a bit dull to read.