New guys don't reveal your CB campaigns by giving ppl your commission amounts

[lucidflux]

Hello everyone,

Just thought I would share something with the newer members who are very happy to share some of their first accomplishments. I have seen people new to the business who had some great success early on in their IM career, and they want to share with forums how well they are doing( I am talking about all forums here, including this one.)

When you post your commission amount, and post some screen shots of added commission amounts, other people who sell those products immediately know that you are selling a product that they sell. Most smart affiliates will just go look at all your past posts(like at DP) and look at everything you have been talking about doing, and then start digging around trying to figure out exactly how you are making this $$$.

When you just start out, it feels great to ride a nice wave at the beginning with no competition. But if you declare your successes, with details, people will find out what you're doing and most likely crush your campaigns. This can be very devastating to your goals, if you are trying to get some seed money.

I am all for sharing, but don't give away stats, and then talk about how your PPC keyword list wasn't working out too well, and then all of the sudden post a first $200 day with screens shots of your account. I personally probably wouldn't try to take your market share, but other people will jump all over it.

Just trying to help new guys earn as much profit as they can before they have to dig their heels in and deal with hard core competition. Even though you may not think you're giving away a lot, you're more likely than not giving away plenty. Nothing wrong with just posting a nice $100 icon and saying I'm having some good sales. Good luck.

[HiddenCrimson]

I totally agree with you and I'm actually glad to see someone else bring this up. It's funny because I just recently started a "make money online" and my second post was about my recent successes with ClickBank. Along with the post I included a picture of my earnings but blocked the actual earnings for each sale because of the exact reason you mentioned.

Anyways, glad to see I'm not just paranoid.

[lucidflux]

Where and how, pleaszzz

[Blackman]

Always have a limit of how much information you are revealing

[Vadym]

I'm taking a new approach to create a completely false identity as far as I can. Cloak the bazookers out of all of my links... and I really should remove my aff ID from my profile.

-runs off to do that-

[Spliff]

Some good points raised in the first post, and agree that unless you want to open the floodgates to other affiliates it's best to keep your mouth shut about what you're promoting.

[bunch]

Today I was warned from Yo*utube for the for*ex bro*ther*hood
the person who ratted out on me and made my account get deleted will have his in the end. Actually they just took my well made video out.

Dont they get that when they do sh*t like this it comes back to haunt them in the end...soon no one will be able to use you*tube and we will all be out,

I know who you are you may think your sneaky but all results come back to you... if your reading this you idiot, remember 10 fold. Karma will come around and kick your ass!!

I will not share any more successes in any market I am in as an affiliate.

when you do bad things to people to gain, it only lasts for a while.

[antantnz]

man that sucks!!

i can't believe there's people that would even bother going around doing that ... i mean especially when they only do it one person, does that really achieve much!! (or do they go around doing it to everyone? hmmmm)

sadly it's a timely reminder to us all that the internet isn't all love ... we must be careful ...

[lazarus4444]

Yeah that is not good. Do you feel it was somebody from here? Or was it some other person promoting the brotherhood who ran across yours? Weird. I have a couple of brotherhood videos up but so far they are ok.

[bunch]

the youtube area of marketing is very evil.
I have had people give 1 star and bad remarks as well as report my videos as spam just to get rid of competition....

So... what happens... is people retaliate and everyone gets reported as spam and it's a vicious circle... you can usually find the culprits by looking on the front page of google for the youtube videos and they usually get there by using these tactics...

it's a kinda 'last man standing' thing going on over there.

I believe the person who did it has the most views right now.... watch out for him and befriend him and add his videos as your favorites and you might not get reported as spam from him.... once your videos get more views !!!! WATCH OUT!!! your going to be reported by his many youtube profiles...

and if your reading this FU**FA&& watch it because the worlds going to tear you a new asshole!

Ya I am mad, you would be too if you got your videos taken off of youtube and almost shut down.

[Vadym]

I'll be the long man standing, and say that there's nothing wrong with that.

We're all Affiliate Marketers. The point is that we're not going to just "share the sales among each other". If you make more, I make less. Unless we're married, or related, this is a problem for me. I'll do everything I can to not only bump you down, but put you OUT OF COMMISSION. Why? Because those extra $300 a week that you were making are MINE now.

Affiliate Marketing isn't fuzzy and warm. While some people practice ethics and believe in "dishonest competing" tactics, the ones who perform those dishonest tactics are the ones who retire at 30, open up their night clubs, and enter a fuzzier and more cuddly lifestyle.

PS - I'm not saying I reported you, of course, but this is simply because I do not do video marketing. If I see an article of mine copied, I don't have it removed. I have the account banned and put the dummy out of commission, if temporarily. If I see a good standing article, I'll copy it in every way but the content, only to IMPROVE the content and bump my fellow money grubber out of his spot in the sun. Along with 100 other tactics for Bum Marketing, and PPC.

Remember, if they've done it to you, you can do it to them, on a much bigger scale. Making this a valuable learning experience.

[lazarus4444]

I sort of see where you are coming from since i used to be a blackhatter, but that is still bullshit to do that to somebody else. Why not just improve on what you are doing and outwork them instead of trying to get somebody banned or sandboxed? Not saying you did this but still, not good karma.

[bunch]

I'll be the long man standing, and say that there's nothing wrong with that.

We're all Affiliate Marketers. The point is that we're not going to just "share the sales among each other". If you make more, I make less. Unless we're married, or related, this is a problem for me. I'll do everything I can to not only bump you down, but put you OUT OF COMMISSION. Why? Because those extra $300 a week that you were making are MINE now.

Affiliate Marketing isn't fuzzy and warm. While some people practice ethics and believe in "dishonest competing" tactics, the ones who perform those dishonest tactics are the ones who retire at 30, open up their night clubs, and enter a fuzzier and more cuddly lifestyle.

PS - I'm not saying I reported you, of course, but this is simply because I do not do video marketing. If I see an article of mine copied, I don't have it removed. I have the account banned and put the dummy out of commission, if temporarily.

Listen up!
I didn't say it was all fluffy with clouds and pink roses.
This is a dirty tactic reporting someone for spam just so they have the market! Hey it's actually kind of smart ...look where I am now, my videos are down ... I'm out of the race in youtube....

But now the shit hits the fan, I'm not letting this go, I have spoken to youtube, waiting for a reply.... If I'm not back in this week, I will cut his legs off so to speak... affiliate marketing is very tough, and just because I'm a girl, you think I'm going to sit in the corner?

Forgettabout it... not going to happen....

added: looks like the spam reporter is working overtime... there once was around 45-48 videos up there when you typed in Forex Brotherhood, now theres only 38... watch it guys for the ones who are left... he's working hard to be the only one left.

Added: I haven't done anything yet, I'm waiting for youtubes reply... I think I should be able to sort it out with them rather than stay pissed off, plus I have better things to spend my time on. ex: making the best content in the world

[Ganceann]

Affiliate Marketing isn't fuzzy and warm. While some people practice ethics and believe in "dishonest competing" tactics, the ones who perform those dishonest tactics are the ones who retire at 30, open up their night clubs, and enter a fuzzier and more cuddly lifestyle.

Reading that statement basically tells me that you are saying all affiliate marketers who are successful should be in prison for fraud.

- deliberately clicking on competitors ads to inflate their costs (fraud)
- deliberately infecting computers with spyware/virus
- wholesale spamming

Just 3 of the tactics I would consider as dishonest competing tactics and all 3 of them can result in prison terms being handed out as well as huge fines.

[Vadym]

Reading that statement basically tells me that you are saying all affiliate marketers who are successful should be in prison for fraud.

- deliberately clicking on competitors ads to inflate their costs (fraud)
- deliberately infecting computers with spyware/virus
- wholesale spamming

Just 3 of the tactics I would consider as dishonest competing tactics and all 3 of them can result in prison terms being handed out as well as huge fines.

Sure, if you want to take it out of proportion, the affiliate marketer could just hire someone to put a contract hit on all the other marketers, or something equally as believable.

I was talking about bunch's experience with "dishonest tactics". Technically, if they're reported, they're not legally supposed to be on the website anyway Hence, by posting these videos they are getting an unfair advantage, while taking a risk. All depends on what kind of light you shed on it

[lucidflux]

See..All weight lifters do have aggression problems.....ahahahaha...jk

[fastR]

Today I was warned from Yo*utube for the for*ex bro*ther*hood
the person who ratted out on me and made my account get deleted will have his in the end. Actually they just took my well made video out.

Dont they get that when they do sh*t like this it comes back to haunt them in the end...soon no one will be able to use you*tube and we will all be out,

I know who you are you may think your sneaky but all results come back to you... if your reading this you idiot, remember 10 fold. Karma will come around and kick your ass!!

I will not share any more successes in any market I am in as an affiliate.

when you do bad things to people to gain, it only lasts for a while.

Sucks doesn't it. Although it's quite different I'm sick of people I'm assuming it's other marketers giving my articles a 1 star on ezine. Although it's not as bad as your situation, it shows how low some people will go to try to get an advantage.

Sad really, but I guess that's the world we live in now.

[Vadym]

See..All weight lifters do have aggression problems.....ahahahaha...jk

Hahaha, no no, of course not. I've got nothing against bunch. She's a member of NC, so if anything, I'd help her out before any random.

Thing is though, every failure is a good experience. In this case, the fact that it teaches you how to screw over YOUR competition. Now, if you've got morals and ethics, well, that's respected, sure, but it'll get you a smaller slice of the pie.

We became AM because we wanted money, not because we wanted to save kittens out of trees and protect gay rights (morals and ethics, for those who don't understand my terrible analogies).

[Ganceann]

Thing is though, every failure is a good experience. In this case, the fact that it teaches you how to screw over YOUR competition. Now, if you've got morals and ethics, well, that's respected, sure, but it'll get you a smaller slice of the pie.

We became AM because we wanted money, not because we wanted to save kittens out of trees and protect gay rights (morals and ethics, for those who don't understand my terrible analogies).

I agree it gives you more experience, but I believe all people who are successful in affiliate marketing have moved on from such tactics (they may have used them at some stage in their development), but now they have stepped up and moved away from those tactics.

Instead, successful affiliate marketers have branched out and created their own products, already established their lists (whether white or black hat methods) and are more involved with JV launches than actively doing such things.

I do have my own vision of how NicheChoppers develops in the future and I would think that people wanting to be in this for their 'retirement' would also be those with the same mindset... we are here to help people gain some experience and find their own path to success by sharing experiences that haven't worked as well as not 'doing the dirty' on fellow niche choppers.

There is plenty of opportunity for a lot of people to make decent money in affiliate marketing and I don't think people should be trying to capture every market 'by any means necessary'.

Naturally some people will have more interest in different niches than others and this may have an impact on what tactics they use to keep their marketshare in those niches.

Instead of thinking only in the short-term, people should think in the long-term. Before trying to take out competitors, they should look at how the competitor might be able to help them in the future where BOTH people gain money by working together instead of against each other.

[Vadym]

Once again, like I said, I'm not against anyone in NC here, of course. Everyone needs some kind of support base, and you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you.

But of course, about 2% of all AMers become "successful". In that they do it full-time from their laptop at their beach home in Florida.

Whether they used less-than-honest tactics determines only whether they got that home within 5 or 10 years time.

[lucidflux]

Right, right, just like Arnold in pumping iron, you'll be giving out "bad advices" haha, just keep downin those protein shakes meat head

[Vadym]

Right, right, just like Arnold in pumping iron, you'll be giving out "bad advices" haha, just keep downin those protein shakes meat head

I can't afford the protein powders at the moment

I've got to get my ass in gear on this whole AM thing on a larger scale. I've actually done consumer psychology brainstorming, and I kind of figured out the train of thought of the person who would be interested in my product, and how to kind of hold that carrot above their nose until they walk into the barn and buy it.

[lucidflux]

I think I am just going with 30 organic egg whites/day
30*10gprotein>300/day from only 600 calories
Thoughts?
Cost is $12/day. ......unless I get some really pure powder I would trust this stuff much more

The U.S. large egg's white weighs 38 grams with 9.6 grams of protein, 0.3 grams of carbohydrate and 62 milligrams of sodium. The U.S. large egg white contains about 20 calories.[2] Egg white contains approximately 40 different proteins.[3] Below is a list of the proteins found in egg whites by percentage along with their natural functions.

* Ovalbumin 64% Nourishment; blocks digestive enzymes
* Ovotransferrin 12% Binds iron
* Ovomucoid 11% Blocks digestive enzymes
* Globulins 8% Plugs defects in membranes, shell
* Lysozyme 3.5% Enzyme that digests bacterial cell walls
* Ovomucin 1.5% Thickens egg white; inhibits viruses
* Avidin 0.6% Binds vitamin (biotin)
* Others 10% Bind vitamins, block digestive enzymes...

[4]

Egg white is also conspicuously lacking in dietary cholesterol, which is a target component for reduction in the American die

[lucidflux]

You ever see those p90x commericals on Tv. If you did any routine for 90days and worked out like a maniac wouldn't you see the same results?

[Vadym]

Live in Canada, so not only do eggs not cost less here, but we don't have big eggs, or p90x commercials. I'm sure if anyone did ANY exercise for 3 months, they'd see the same results.

[lucidflux]

I'll ship you some of both....or maybe just some chickens...hmmm...my own chickens???

[Vadym]

I live in an apartment, so the chickens wouldn't work out. Unless they can free roam in a 5x15 balcony

[lucidflux]

haha, that definitely wouldn't be a free range bird, haha.

[JIMZ]

I'll be the long man standing, and say that there's nothing wrong with that.

We're all Affiliate Marketers. The point is that we're not going to just "share the sales among each other". If you make more, I make less. Unless we're married, or related, this is a problem for me. I'll do everything I can to not only bump you down, but put you OUT OF COMMISSION. Why? Because those extra $300 a week that you were making are MINE now.

Affiliate Marketing isn't fuzzy and warm. While some people practice ethics and believe in "dishonest competing" tactics, the ones who perform those dishonest tactics are the ones who retire at 30, open up their night clubs, and enter a fuzzier and more cuddly lifestyle.

PS - I'm not saying I reported you, of course, but this is simply because I do not do video marketing. If I see an article of mine copied, I don't have it removed. I have the account banned and put the dummy out of commission, if temporarily. If I see a good standing article, I'll copy it in every way but the content, only to IMPROVE the content and bump my fellow money grubber out of his spot in the sun. Along with 100 other tactics for Bum Marketing, and PPC.

Remember, if they've done it to you, you can do it to them, on a much bigger scale. Making this a valuable learning experience.

Holy shit, I go away for a few days and this Forum's one and only "Super Moderator" is talking a dirty game.

I really don't agree with your approach to this, I think you should focus more on being better yourself, not trying to take out the competition.

But then again I am a nice guy and not desperate for the money.

Jim

[Vadym]

Holy shit, I go away for a few days and this Forum's one and only "Super Moderator" is talking a dirty game.

I really don't agree with your approach to this, I think you should focus more on being better yourself, not trying to take out the competition.

But then again I am a nice guy and not desperate for the money.

Jim

You obviously didn't finish reading that post, or any of my following ones. I'm not going to repeat myself on these issues, so be a dear and just read the rest of my posts.

[JIMZ]

I'll do everything I can to not only bump you down, but put you OUT OF COMMISSION. Why? Because those extra $300 a week that you were making are MINE now.

I am not going to rise to your condescending shit and I can't be bothered to read any more, the above snippet was all I needed to understand what you were on about.

No need to say anymore on this, lets go and make some more money.

Jim

[NCMedia]

Sometimes it's hard to get along guys and reading between the lines I can see shit hitting the fan if we don't squash tension...

Jimz/Vadym, there are points to what both of you are saying and I appreciate that you simply want to move on, however cherry picking one line from the banter in a context like that is a gentle way of saying... well you know. I'm seeing the hidden digs and no even super moderators or those temporarily stripped from mod status aren't always perfect or right. I'm going to give you both a rep and please just minimize the personal banter or do it through PM.

Thread at hand: Yes it is wise to document your success, and yes sometimes it is and isn't appropriate to show screen shots. This forums exists for our product line so most of the people know what others are promoting, hence the focused threads... It's a love hate relationship helping people vs. exposing too much, so simply use common sense when documenting your successes.

Cheers,
N.