The ViralChimpanzee Theorium - Thicksters need not apply...

[Miller]

I've got a theory.


First of all I'm going to name some people:

Vadym
Ashley
Norbus
Koahost
Dan Bainbridge


What have all the above got in common?

They all make money....and lots of it.

What is the direct correlation between those people?...they have FUN and enjoy themselves without taking themselves or life too seriously.

I mean Dan is sat on a fucking beach right now....and sadly I'm not...which is probably an indication that I need to work harder.

I mean really, seriously watch their posts...they have fun.

All the miserable gits are miserable because of the factor of:

"Ahhh, I gotta do XYZ...ah bollox"

...Well...have fun while your doing XYZ...if your not having fun doing XYZ then this biz ain't for you.

I have a theory that having fun and enjoying life is directly synonymous to your business and it's turnover...as per the aforementioned^.

This is the Viral Chimpanzee theorium.

I therefore hereby present a dichotomy...Are you a miserable git or an earner?

Have some humour choppers!!!!

[conquistador]

I saw Norb's history. He took some hits to get where he is at. He kept moving forward. There are not many who are born into money, certainly not me, but I am willing to take the hits and keep moving forward. Which is why I like this by Sly Stallone, who also started in the school of hard knocks :

(Start at 10 minutes and 24 seconds for Sly)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kIa_WJBlTi0?

Read up on how he got into the movie business.

[Miller]

Out of the 22 people viewing this thread right now...your the only one who has the actual bollocks to say something..

...so respect to you.

If anybody doesn't agree with any of it....then say something....

...unless...it's "uncool" to say anything "fuck that i'm not sayin nothing" BS.

[MedicAffiliate]

More like they had to do a lot of shit they didn't want to, ie "paying your dues" before they could do the stuff they did want to. It's the people that join IM hoping to skip the hard work stage that don't last or they give up seeking opportunities after their first trial fails. Atleast this is true in my case where I lose hope once every two months when something supposedly big gets ruined and it's bury self in beer and takeout for another two months before I try something else. Rinse and repeat. Don't do this is what I'm saying.

[Dan Bainbridge]

More like they had to do a lot of shit they didn't want to, ie "paying your dues" before they could do the stuff they did want to. It's the people that join IM hoping to skip the hard work stage that don't last or they give up seeking opportunities after their first trial fails. Atleast this is true in my case where I lose hope once every two months when something supposedly big gets ruined and it's bury self in beer and takeout for another two months before I try something else. Rinse and repeat. Don't do this is what I'm saying.

I think this is actually how it is... I am having fun now sure... or what other people would perceive as "fun".. beaches, travel etc.

But for 2 or more years when I was setting up I worked 100 hour weeks, had very little social life, just working obsessively... but obviously I wasn't miserable as if I would be if I was working for someone else for 100 hours a week without a social life... it's different... still intense and hard.. but still loved it and enjoyed what I was doing and working towards..

[willyboy104]

Yeah VC your thread makes a clear and valid point, but it is one which doesn't highlight the sleepless nights and sacrifices many of these guys probably had to make to get there.

I reckon it all boils down to having specific goals and pursuing these goals and never giving up, persistence creates success.

[Vadym]

Theory fits with my profile - so I'm in agreeance.

I hated [still hate] doing work, was not into "building my income up to 3K a month, than 5K a month, blah blah dreamy blah". And I'm pretty good at networking and influencing people [not the kind where you break kneecaps - just able to make people see things my way, the beneficial-to-all way]. And since I always tell people to plug their weaknesses with their strengths - I stopped trying to do things I didn't want to, partnered up/outsourced the things that HAD to be done to make money, and have been having fun ever since.

PS - Waking up daily to big new earnings, and knowing you earned them because you spent that evening playing games, smoking pot, drinking and sleeping... It's a great feeling. Just makes you feel like a contributing member of society. That alone is worth it now.

[NCMedia]

Specific goals? Nope.

Having fun is the reason I'm successful? Partially.

Knowing I'd get here? Not a clue when, or if, or how.

Did it without fear? Fuck no, I'm more nervous with more success now too. Fear drives butterflies, then you decide what to do with them - I tend to entertain them but only for a short while until I champion them and take whatever consequences may come with my risky decision.

Did it safely? Nope - bent and rode fine lines of rules, and still try to a bit. Risk and willingness to fail over and over, in the trenches.

Did it by starting at the top? Hell naw - I knew I didn't know shit when I entered this IM world, even after hitting success once in my life - I did it by championing EACH rung on this ladder, one by one, until I failed enough in everything to know what to avoid, and know what to try to replicate. I proudly started at the bottom, even gave other guys that were starting around me a head start, but now I'm flawless and know the track/game/eco-system better than most, and that really matters.

I did it by:

Becoming naturally obsessed with a project I'm interested in, obsessed in a good healthy way.

Becoming REALLY thick skinned, failure is an option, it's welcomed asap over and over to go through the process of negative ROI elimination of my routine (life in general too not just biz).

Becoming an even more FUCK YOU alpha than I ever was, more by default and scenario's than by planning. You can't just rollover when someone is out to get you or wants to battle - I'll fuck you up if you step to me online, come at me bro. < But I'm also a loyal and trustworthy cat to those deserving and bend over backwards trying to help others succeed (because I succeed too, and because now it's just 'more money' and seeing others take part and get that feeling I got when I first converted, is addicting). I'm good, I'm set, and I'm willing to protect my success in just about any way shape or form possible.

I picked guru's at first, then picked them apart to death, then dismissed them within a few months, all of them. Now I not only hate them but it's a good laugh watching the MMO 428th generation try to launch their tricks, still lost in noob monetizing on noob land... they'll never really understand nor champion marketing (real marketing), they'll always be good at unicorn dreams and influencing others with quick money tricks - this was important for me, realizing I'm in full control, and I have 10 years of REAL marketing behind me for REAL brands that need REAL assets on national and international levels. Not a launch, a real campaign for Honda's new line up, or a site for Eatons Wedding registry with 4 seasonal campaigns, etc.

This world tends to preach nothing but shortcuts to riches. Let me just say it's taken me 13 fucking years, my best years, of my life sacrificed to an extent to chase this imaginary feeling and level of.... success. I'm successful because I don't see myself or the word success as I probably should. I see myself as busy, occupied by powerful routines, creatively expressing myself, problem solving a lot, priortizing my affiliates and their income as HIGH on my list, and the money is literally but a side affect of all that, not money first and then whatever follows.

/deepthoughts.

+1 VC you're pulling out an awesome thread from this.

[Blackman]

I agree with Will. Before these guys started "having fun", they went through so much sh!t that 99% of people wouldn't.

But Vadym also speaks the truth, because sometimes it's not about 24/7 hard work, but more about knowing how to outsource certain things, how to do them more efficiently, etc.

[NCMedia]

Vadym is definitely an outspoken exception to this world.

Some of us just 'get it', just 'make it', just have timing on their sides, or are just really risky and persistent and fast and willing to lose it all - that's how I see Vadym, a hard fucking act to follow and you definitely can't be a beta/pussy to step up as fast as V has.

Don't let it discourage you though you newer guys, we all had to start somewhere. Pretty sure you can still find some of V's first posts looking for copywriting work etc.

Some people gotta make it right? Even in the simple land of averaging and probability, some are going to do exceptionally well while others never get it, and both people can have the same IQ.

As Bl4ck said, sometimes it does take a few huge moments in life/struggles/having NOTHING/etc. so you become the ninja hidden inside you, and the environment you're in predicts/shapes how you handle most things in life from your younger days I find. Still even with those variables aside, I still think we ALL have the capacity to get here/anywhere your mind and goals/desires want to take you.

[leftboot]

I therefore hereby present a dichotomy...Are you a miserable git or an earner?

Well, as a complete n00b I haven't even launched a single campaign or project yet, pretty much just been reading. So not sure where I will fall when it comes down to it.

From reading some of the posts by the fellas you mentioned, I'd have to say that it seems more like those guys are extremely optimistic about their ventures, and (perhaps) the optimism is what gives them a chance to truly succeed or fail because you don't give up too easily and adopt a pessimistic view of what your doing, blaming yourself, blaming everyone else, blaming google, i suck, i'm never gonna make it, etc, etc. A lot of the time, I find, it's not about being completely overly confident and sure of yourself, it's more just not taking everything going on in your head too seriously. I always try to question my judgements (positive & negative) about myself and others, and this has resulted in a pretty easy going attitude towards life in which I rarely feel 'down and out', hopefully that will serve me well in IM, I guess we'll see!

So yah, I'm a glass half full kinda guy...

Not an earner YET, but perhaps I am and I don't even know it

cheers VC!

[leftboot]

I'm successful because I don't see myself or the word success as I probably should. I see myself as busy, occupied by powerful routines, creatively expressing myself, problem solving a lot, priortizing my affiliates and their income as HIGH on my list, and the money is literally but a side affect of all that, not money first and then whatever follows.

The perspective you have on money reminds me a lot of the philosophy of MJ Demarco (founder of limos.com) who wrote the book: "Millionaire Fastlane: Crack the Code to wealth and live rich for a live time". (Cheesy ass title I know, and the book has a picture of a Lamborghini or something on the front. But, it was actually a really down to earth, no guru bullshit kinda book.)

He essentially says the same thing you just said, that people who chase money only for the sake of trying to get money are most often the ones who can't get it. But people who try to add value to the world, try to help other people, aim to solve problems, and not always think me me me money money money, those are the people that money tends to seek out and find! Money becomes a side effect of a life fully engaged with the world.

Like you said, not money first and then whatever follows.

There are exceptions of course, I don't really know Vadym yet but he seems like just a straight up PIMP and perhaps money finds him through forces I will never undestand lol.

Cheers to you sir

[Miller]

EPIC thread.

Not my doing though...Dan Bainbridge got me thinking after his post: who he is and his biz.

I thought "well wtf is he doing that I'm not...because I'm just as obsessed about my biz as he is.

The one thing he is doing is enjoying life...now I'm not naive and dumfucked retarded enough to know that he worked frikkin hard as did the other aforementioned.

We already knew he was successful...despite me rucking with him ages ago about how wrong HE was and how RIGHT I was...typical chimp style..but that's me all over.... and that particular 20+ thread battle, was a battle I lost.

Norb...As usual EPIC...FUCKING EPIC post from Norb.

Expect nothing but solid info from him every time. +10 REP.

Everybody else who contributed to the thread +1 REP

+2 REPS to Conquistador for having the Bollocks to say something in response otherwise this truly EPIC (LOVE that word...I'm an EPIC whore) thread would never have started.

I truly believe in my OP...and I'm by no means a tree hugging faggot...but if you enjoy & have fun in life I think that simultaneously correlates to: SUCCESS.

Yeah EPIC thread.

VC

[kakaboo]

I therefore hereby present a dichotomy...Are you a miserable git or an earner?

I think there are still some big earners who are miserable gits

[leftboot]

...and I'm by no means a tree hugging faggot...

[conquistador]

Out of the 22 people viewing this thread right now...your the only one who has the actual bollocks to say something..

...so respect to you.

If anybody doesn't agree with any of it....then say something....

Living in economic hell is the pits ( no pun intended ). Those who plan on staying there are ignorant, scared, or
just lack the help they need. All of that is fixable.

[Vadym]

^
If they're ignorant, they're happy. Why fix whats not broken.

The very concept of wanting more is what's creating every problem in the world. Imagine if everyone did.

[conquistador]

^

The very concept of wanting more is what's creating every problem in the world.

...or not giving more...

[h0mp]

I'm not banking, work a lot of hours because of day jobs plus a wife and kid. But I do have fun trying to do my thing on the internet.

[PaperChase]

I don't think you necessarily have to have "fun" to make money online. You have to enjoy it, and you have to stay motivated. The thing about IM is that you can't rest on your laurels, not for a fucking second.

I used to make 15-20k a month through one page on one website that was ranking well on Google. I thought I was a baller. Buying stupid shit, going on expensive vacations, gambling it all away. Guess what happened? That particular merchant decided to change their commission structure, and at the same time I ended up losing a bit of my rankings due to competitors. That 15k a month money maker is now only worth 4k.

Reality check.

I'm a smart guy. A really fucking smart guy. But I got complacent. After my page started ranking I didn't touch my website for close to a year. A FUCKING YEAR. I literally woke up everyday and just surfed the web for 10 hours. I didn't do any work. I wasn't motivated. I didn't enjoy what I was doing. And to be honest, I didn't earn that money that I was making, I got lucky in a niche that wasn't competitive. That's why I blew the money. I didn't deserve it.

Now I'm back on track pulling in a paltry $200-$300 per day. Not exactly the $700 days I used to have, but guess what, now I work for 10 hours straight each day. I bust my fucking ass. I code like a motherfucker, and I probably send close to 100 emails a day trying to work out exclusive deals. When I hit it big now, and I know I will, I'll treat that money with the respect it deserves because I put my hard work into it.

I really got off topic here. I just wanted to illustrate the point that if you are just starting out in IM, or you are banking 1k per day, everybody faces the same issues of motivation. Like NCMedia mentioned, the more successful you get, the more nervous you get, the more scared you become of failure. I recently just signed close to 160 affiliates for my coupon code site. I'm shitting bricks right now. My business is now officially real. There are people out there that rely on me. I'm nervous, I'm scared, but I'm fucking determined. I work hard everyday, and I'm a good person, I know I will be successful. Since I was 12 or 13 years old I always knew I was going to be incredibly wealthy and successful. It was never a question of "if", only "when" and "how". I now know "how" and it's only a matter of "when" and who am I going to take along for the ride with me.

Set goals for every year of your life. Post them in your workspace so its in your face every fucking day. Tell your partner, your parents, and your friends about them. That helps keep you motivated. The goal becomes your output. Now focus on your inputs every day to make that goal a reality.

Do I love what I do now? Yes. Am I motivated to reach my goals? More than ever. Do I still procrastinate like a 14 year old boy? Hell yea motherfucker. No matter how successful we are, we will always find ways to avoid doing things our mind tells us are difficult. Why code a script when I can play Call of Duty? Why take a long hard look at my business model when I can take a nap instead? Everybody deals with this. The thing you have to realize is you need to fight past your initial reaction and think, which activity will help me reach my goal faster?

As I mentioned before I used to spend all day doing nothing. And guess what, I felt like shit at night. I didn't accomplish anything. What a waste of life. Now my goal every night is to go to bed feeling accomplished, feeling like I'm one step closer to reaching my goal. We need to hold ourselves accountable for our own actions.

Sorry, I know all of the above is just random, but I've been feeling like I need to do a brain dump about the IM lifestyle. I feel comfortable here at NC. Moreso than the other gay webmaster forums around.

[conquistador]

The thing you have to realize is you need to fight past your initial reaction and think, which activity will help me reach my goal faster?

Thanks for that... back to work for me.

[IsaacADB]

I'll just leave this hear..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpc-t-Uwv1I

[bevynw]

That's the thing i like about this game, i genuinely enjoy it.

[Blackman]

FUCKING EPIC post PaperChase...Hit the nail on the head on fucking everything you said.

[Chri5123]

I think you NEED to be a miserable git to be an earner...

All the people I know that have reached a level of success have one thing in common:

Unless they were born into money they have an almost pathological desire to not end up like everyone else...

By everyone I mean the "status quo" - the people HAPPY to do a 9 -5 and just ACCEPT that "that is the way it is!"

They were miserable, upset, downright pissed off that could happen and found it AMAZING that no-one else sees it that way...

So they tried and tried and tried, through A LOT of misery, blood, sweat and tears until they reached a level of success...

Then they built on those successes...

At least that is how it worked for me...

I have reached a level of success and still strive for more - but one thing I have realized - the money is a VERY small part of it!

I know that sounds corny but for me it is true!

Making money actually makes you MORE miserable if you think it will make you happier.

Take it from me and many late night drinking sessions lol.

But I would say one thing money DOES give you - more CHOICES - the problem is most people are not HAPPY making choices...

Enough of my rambling - hope it made sense...

Chris

[forex-id10t]

Chri513

I just wish somebody would give me the chance to proof that too much money cannot make you happy

[Miller]

I've found a new word to add to my ever expanding vocabulary.

"EPICCER"

this thread keeps getting Epiccer.

It started out as a bit of a "masked" rant about wtf is submp3's doing and what's the common denominator between others here, and the almost accidental result was an EPIC thread.

Awesome...back to work fuck me.

[SirKhan]

back to work fuck me.

off: From your FX screenshots to me it seems that you're doing just fine. Why not stick to that? You'll never find anything that's more easily scalable than Forex.

[Chri5123]

Chri513

I just wish somebody would give me the chance to proof that too much money cannot make you happy

That reminds me of something my mother used to tell me:

"If you want to know for sure if money is the root of all evil, just look at the people God gives it too!"

While I don't share this point of view here is something to think about:

You can already prove it to yourself:

If you had $3 million in the bank right now - what would you do?

Go on Holiday?

Get a New Car?

Buy a plane?

Get A Yacht?

Stay in top hotels?

Buy the latest gadgets?

etc...

Well the truth is NOT a lot changes!

Sure the hotels, cars, boats, planes get bigger and better, the people get nicer but fundamentally they are all STILL "things".

Now I am not saying I have $300 million in the bank but I DO have enough where I want MORE than money.

Think about what you would use that money for and HOW to get it and you will get there...

Chris

[Vadym]

Blah, blah, blah, you whiny bitches. You, who have money and still complain. This is for you.

I wake up with a grin on my face and sing Pippi Longstocking's "What Shall I Do Today?" every morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpVx-TDvBFc

It's not money making you unhappy. The only unhappy people I see are the ones in long, stale committed relationships who want out. And I won't let money take the fall. Money isn't liquid happy, but it's fucking easy to spend it on a vacation to go get happy.

Unfortunately when you don't own your own balls anymore, you can't go to the airport tonight to go end up on the Spanish party islands tomorrow. You can't blow a whole load of money on something you've wanted since you were a kid.

That's what generates unhappiness - and it's proven by every one of my friends who are in old/stale relationships - or just got out of them. And the latter, you can actually see them get happier before your eyes.


Sorry, money wins, wives and long relationships lose. Get smart, get happy. If people were meant to stay with each other for extended periods of time - we wouldn't have a 50% marriage fail rate/people wouldn't cheat. Stop ignoring your basic instincts, bros.

[narres]

Blah, blah, blah, you whiny bitches.
Sorry, money wins, wives and long relationships lose. Get smart, get happy. If people were meant to stay with each other for extended periods of time - we wouldn't have a 50% marriage fail rate/people wouldn't cheat. Stop ignoring your basic instincts, bros.

NOT... You are looking at life with the eyes of a younger person who is part of the "Me and Now" generation who is talking about relationships he never had.

I am proud to say that I have been together in a relationship with my wife for 50 years (last month), Live in a $800K home with no mortgage, no car payments and money in the .... not saying where my money is.

And I am HAPPY... Lived with the wife and kids in Holland, Germany Australia, Montreal, Vancouver and made numerous trips to China, Egypt and God knows where.

The joy and stability I get from having a wife and kids out ways the freedom you so vigorously defend and my rewards are here, now that I am getting a little longer in the tooth, with stability and companionship, kids and grandkids.

Our basic instinct is to live in a close nit family unit and not to fuck and run like the dogs.

There... now you know it can work and "freedom" is not all what you think it is.

P.S. I still have my balls BTW...

[Vadym]

^
You're unique to have kept your balls with the coming wife. And THAT's the reason you're happy. You wouldn't have lived anywhere, done anything - had you been deprived of the freedom.

Maybe I do have a history of attracting extremely controlling ladies - but you can't give me that age crap. I'm the mind of a 30-year-old - and today's US statistics for marriage aren't based on people my age. They're real - and hilarious. Would you cross the road if only half the people you saw try made it? If anything, younger generation is TAKING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE of how half of your generation is failing.

Every richest man in the world has had multiple marriages and just ends up with some 25-year-old ex-Miss "INSERT COUNTRY HERE". I seriously doubt they're all unhappy - but they still keep the same pattern.

I'm pretty big on statistics and human relation patterns, brew, part of IM

PS - I think it's just a matter of personality in this case. Freedom is everything to me. Guess if you grow up from humble roots, you obsess with it. Plus there's billions of chicks. Its easy to get a "relationship". It's hard to get ultimate freedom.

[leftboot]

^ Most people also don't make it 'across the road' in Internet Business, doesn't mean ya don't try. Why? The potential payoff is huge. I think relationships are the same. Most people suck at relationships, most fail, but the benefit of finding the right partner, not losing your balls in the process (ie being a fucking man and continuing to be your own person while simultaneously truly giving and sacrificing for your wife/family) is massive.

Also, obviously everyone is different, we all don't have the exact same nature. I think it is perfectly OK to be happy and fulfilled as both a lifelong bachelor -OR- a family man. Same as you can be perfectly happy as a bum on the street just as much as you could be unfulfilled with 50mil in the bank.

Life is too varied, too much of a fucking kaladeiscope of people and potential to just write off commited relationships, Vadym.

I think the BIGGEST problem these days are guys losing their balls once they get in a serious relationship. You see guys around you gettin snipped and you (understandably) say 'fuck that!'. but it IS possible to be in a loving committed relationship AND keep your nuts and be a fucking Man. Relationships are all fucky these days, girls don't even know what they want, they want to have their cake and eat it too, they want a guy to be a push over but to ALSO be a man.

You say listen to your nature, but we don't have one definitive nature, yes we have that part of us that wants to fuck everything in sight, but we also (most) have that part of us that wants to have a more deeper and connected, longterm relationship. we have so many competing drives within ourselves, that's what growing up is all about, learning to harness, balances, and direct all this primal energy within us.

Maybe commited relationships will not be for you but don't write the whole thing off so easy, just remember that even though everyone else is fucki g up in that department doesn't mean you will. Hell look at your business and work life, you are doing THAT better than 99.9%, you're a fucking PIMP, who's to say you won't be a fucking PIMP when it comes to a long term commited relationship and family.

/rant

[Blackman]

I just realized that leftboot is another fucking AWESOME member of NC who only joined recently.

Funny how this thread turned from making money to having a relationship. I totally agree with what's above and I think Vadym's thinking with regards to relationships is based on his experiences with "facebook-type" girls. You know, the ones that you can look at and fuck all day long, but when it comes to anything more than that, then you feel like she hasn't got anything more to offer?

When Vadym finds that "special one", he will change his mind, but nowadays most are into "suck and fuck" relationships, so it's easy to make conclusions like Vadym has done.

[NCMedia]

Hopefully this thread is around in 10+ years and we can all look back and see where women and money have taken each of us, and how peoples views/circumstances may change due to random variables out of your immediate uninfluenced control.

Potential thread of the year too +1 to all.

[leftboot]

10 years?? I see.... Vadym... yes, it's coming to me now... getting clearer... clearer... is that? yess, He's baking Banana bread, and is that? yes that's the sound of a baby crying and daytime television on in the background. It appears that Vadym is a stay at home dad! (still tending his business on the side of course) I called it.

"Freedom and happiness are won by disregarding things that lie beyond our control."
- Epictitus (feels like an epic titties kinda day)

ps: cheers bl4ckmaN^! This is the first time I've taken part in an online community (other than facebook) since almost back to the good ol' BBS day, early IRC, etc... It's cool! Good group here.

[SirKhan]

Potential thread of the year too +1 to all.

Correction: potential thread of the year started and inspired by ViralChimp.
I had to write it down coz I still don't believe it.

[Miller]

Yeah, ha!

Well....Dan Bainbridge/Viralchimp/VC's polluted mind...

Do I get money for that?.....

[ScottS]

Sorry for bumping up an old thread, but i Just started reading it. Haven't finished it yet, but I gotta say, that it is a pretty awesome thread.

@Conquistador You made a pretty powerful quote early on in the thread, and I was wondering if you mind me using it as my sig? It struck a chord.
This is the quote:"Living in economic hell is the pits ( no pun intended ). Those who plan on staying there are ignorant, scared, or
just lack the help they need. All of that is fixable."