The Joel Comm Firesale

[kdmcrae69]

Hey there Choppers!

Just curious what you all think about Joel Comm's 'Firesale' which ends tonight. He's got a $4000.00 box set of just about everything he has ever offered, (minus the kitchen sink,) up for grabs for a measely $197.00 ... Just wondering if I should scoop it up, or not? Certainly looks good to this noob's eyeballs! Feedback is invited.

Thanks ~ KD

[PlatinumPi4u]

This is what I think:

So How Much Money Have You Spent On BullShit Marketing Courses From The Gurus? I Don't Usually Curse But...
Lesson 1: Stop Buying Ebooks!!
From The Desk Of: Norb Czufis (a.k.a NCMedia a.k.a media whore a.k.a Norb Not Noob!)
Subject: Your future as a rich entrepreneur, or a broke wannabe guru, your choice today...

Remember, as an affiliate marketer, we are SELLING.... not buying

[The Bird of Prey]

kd,

I really can't tell you whether or not this is a 'good' deal or even if it is worth the price. All I have to offer is an anecdote of days long ago when I ran across a guru offering "everything" he'd ever worked on, for or with.
Granted, this guru was also asking for a lot more than $197. In fact the offer was going to be limited to 1000 people. And as a final "incentive" this was to be this guru's "swan song" as his stated purpose was to raise $2 Million to retire on.

Without going into great detail... I was part of a group that "bought" one of the "everything" packages.

To be honest, I've never seen a more worthless hunk of junk in my life. Of the half dozen or so "software" packages that were part of the "offer". Only one was functional and even then it was only partially working. The rest, though advertised as "ready to go" weren't even beta versions, much less something you could use or sell.
There were a few of the guru's famous ebook offerings, but nothing that you couldn't have gotten (and likely already had since they were years old) for $20.
The rest were a series of audio interviews (also old) wherein the guru mostly tooted his own horn loud and often. Very little real meat to chew on. I learned more my first week here at NC than I did in the 40 odd hours I spent listening to the guru drone on and on about his accomplishments.

The one thing the guru did back up was that as soon as he had sold the 1000th copy he announced his "retirement".

I can't say I was surprised to get his email 6 months later touting the guru's NEW SUPER SPECIAL ONE OF A KIND, LIMITED ACCESS WEBSITE where for a mere $50 or $100 a month (I've forgotten the exact amount, it's been a while) he would share all his secrets with you.

I also wasn't surprised when that site went dark about 9 months later.

I won't name the guru, even though I haven't heard him mentioned for a few years now. I am sure that more than a few choppers have a pretty good idea of whom I speak.

Oh, I still have a copy of the whole thing (on a hard drive here somewhere) as well as several hundred GB and more than a few boxes of "information" from dozens of "gurus"...

And I could use a couple hundred bucks right now myself! LOL

On second thought, "firesale" is probably the right term. I'd bet most of what you get should make great starter material for the fireplace!

[adorton]

KD

My take:

Should you scoop it up? No

Should you study the sales page? Like you were studying for your MCAT exam. Reason being is something there triggered your purchase instinct and if it worked on you guess what? It will work on other "noobs" as well. My fellow choppers are absolutely right we don't buy, we sell. And if you want to learn how to sell the best way is to (cough, cough) emulate what appeals to you. After you have figured out your niche and how to play the to the emotional side of your audience rather than the rational side then you be able to conquer the IM world and repeatedly suck duckets from your customers wallets.

Just my .02

[NCMedia]

Around here we tend to say: Stop being his customer, start being a marketer.

Yes analyze, yes buy it if you want to see how he structured the whole thing including his upsells/down/etc., and who knows you might even find a nugget or two in there. However don't read or look at the pitch as a customer, ever again.

[bluffspot]

...I really can't tell you whether or not this is a 'good' deal or even if it is worth the price. All I have to offer is an anecdote of days long ago when I ran across a guru offering "everything" he'd ever worked on, for or with.

Granted, this guru was also asking for a lot more than $197. In fact the offer was going to be limited to 1000 people. And as a final "incentive" this was to be this guru's "swan song" as his stated purpose was to raise $2 Million to retire on.

Without going into great detail... I was part of a group that "bought" one of the "everything" packages.

Hey Dave... ...I said I was sorry.....

[kdmcrae69]

Great comments and advice from you all. Thank you as they are trully appreciated and I can tell from them, as well as the site in general, that this club will play a key role in my continuing progress as an internet marketer. Allow me, please, to make a couple other comments or qualifying remarks on my opening post.

For starters, I was looking at the deal with the eyes of a seller, or internet marketer; and there are three things in the package that specifically appealed to me: first, his AdSense Premier Boxed Set Course, which normally retailed for $2000.00, but is currently on sale for $77.00. Obviously I haven't been around the IM scene very long, but from what I can ascertain Joel Comm appears to be one of the "originals" or IM "pioneers", and I "imagined" he'd have a lot to offer on the subject of how to generate maximum 'Adsense' profits. Then there is his extensive collection of Adsense templates that appealed to me; some of which he describes as "new and different from the standard Instant AdSense Templates collection;" and those "new and different" templates come with resale rights, which seems like a good thing to someone looking at including the Adsense program into their online business.

Lastly, one of my own products is a monthly internet marketing journal or periodical, and so the third item in Joel's box which appealed to me was 12 hard copies of his own monthly mag, called the "Top One Report,' for just over the price of a single copy, which sells for $30.00 per month. I have not purchased it / them yet but the sale will end some time this morning. I really liked the advice on studying his marketing strategy, as that makes huge sense. Thanks again!

KD

[kdmcrae69]

...I said I was sorry.....

[The Bird of Prey]

Hey Dave... ...I said I was sorry.....

My friend YOU have NOTHING to be SORRY for!

I know you're just pulling my leg here, but the noobs might not "get it". So, with out further ado...


Let it be proclaimed across the multiverse, by all persons of all persuasions and proclivities, that THE BIRD OF PREY (aka BOP, Dave) does hold BLUFFSPOT (aka Nick) in the most high regard as both gentleman and internet marketer. Further be it known that BOP considers Nick to transact business in an honorable fashion and with the utmost integrity. Be it also advised that any person (including Nick) that may challenge these FACTS may face the most dire and painful of consequences (aka a flaming by BOP) which shall be at the sole discretion of BOP.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
Signed, Sealed and Delivered as of the date on this post.

Most Sincerely,

Dave

[bluffspot]

geez Dave ...you are the Lutz to my Bruno....


and yes.. I am getting the feeling that this post is an affiliate ploy... maybe I'm reading too much into it... but it seems rather spammy...

[kdmcrae69]

geez Dave ...you are the Lutz to my Bruno....


and yes.. I am getting the feeling that this post is an affiliate ploy... maybe I'm reading too much into it... but it seems rather spammy...

I can be a little slow on the uptake at time, but are you accusing me of something? If you're not, then please excuse my stupidity.

[kdmcrae69]

Around here we tend to say: Stop being his customer, start being a marketer.

Yes analyze, yes buy it if you want to see how he structured the whole thing including his upsells/down/etc., and who knows you might even find a nugget or two in there. However don't read or look at the pitch as a customer, ever again.

Hey there SYSOP,

In your "MUST READ, MUST READ" thread for the noobs, you state the following: "CREATE A THREAD SOMEWHERE ELSE and ask anything you've ever wanted about our world. Chances are whatever level you are at - others here will be able to help you, or also learn with you - CREATE A THREAD and get your noob or intermediate days over with asap" => http://forums.nichechoppers.com/step...must-read.html

Now, I identified myself, in my self-introductory opening thread, as a noob trying to make his first online sale. So basically I haven't done so well, and have a huge personal debt-load to show for it. So, I am looking for answers and I created this thread to get some answers about Joel Comm and if he has something that will help my online business, and while I got some useful advice, not a single person asked me what the nature of my business was and what it was the Joel had that I thought might help me.

So, thinking that if I just provided some more information about what he had that I was interested in, maybe it would attract some detailed and practical responses. Instead, I am accused of being a spammer trying "an affiliate ploy." If that is the nature of the friendship and help offered on this site, then perhaps I have made a mistake and came to the wrong place for help.

What I was hoping for was someone to give me some advice on Adsense courses something like Comm's. Maybe his course is old and outdated, or way over-priced. Maybe there is a much better one that I don't know about. Maybe Adsense is a complete waste of time. I don't know and that's why I created this thread: to get some answers, and not shit thrown at me.

Where are the website rules and polices? I looked for them and could not see them, probably because I'm half-blind. Thanks.

[NCMedia]

Hey KD,

All good just go with the flow, sometimes our filter within is thick - and I'll also say that if I didn't see through it more, your thread 'could' to the average eye, be looked at as a clever and creative way to get some awareness and some clicks/sales over to Joel Comms fire sale... Sometimes in our world we sniff for bullshit when we don't have to, and other times it flies under our noses with no clue until it's too late...

Don't worry about looking for more rules, what you read was enough, and don't take offense from others here easily, they can be a rough bunch on one day and your next biggest mentor the next. One thing you will get, be it not fluffy and bubblebath warm, is, the, truth, right away.

N.

**To add, unfortunately (well, actually, fortunately) - adsense and this forum are like water and oil. We don't really look to adsense to monetize MFA sites or tons of little sites (perhaps a few might), but that's looking for lot's of pennies (which isn't wrong/right, just not the vibe here), where the learning curves and efforts we focus on here are everything but.

Still - having said that feel free to start a thread about that specific help rather than this thread, you just might find some gold answers here, the JC question was asked, via an adsense pre-cursor or not the answers are real, the truth is what it is, and Joel may be an awesome marketer but I still wouldn't recommend you buy into it - or into anthony robbins or donald trumps guru wealth systems either other than to observe and absorb what they've just done with that particular release.

**Also, i'd like to point out that nobody gets paid to be here helping, it's a collective, and most of the senior members are here because they've been here since day 1, or have become quite intimate with the group, and you'll see soon that it's a self policing state vs. a free for all with a control grid/elitist asshole group. Translation = everyone here is an individual and nobody here is staff, yet everyone is staff, and they are protective of home base.

[kdmcrae69]

Still - having said that feel free to start a thread about that specific help rather than this thread, you just might find some gold answers here, the JC question was asked, via an adsense pre-cursor or not the answers are real, the truth is what it is, and Joel may be an awesome marketer but I still wouldn't recommend you buy into it - or into anthony robbins or donald trumps guru wealth systems either other than to observe and absorb what they've just done with that particular release.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify a few things for me. However, with regard to the above quote, I'm totally clueless about what "the JC question" is all about. In terms of Trump-like and Robbins-like "guru wealth systems", once again I haven't a clue about those, as I have never paid either of them much attention. However, I am enrolled in Eben Pagan's 'Guru Blueprint' product creation training program, if that's kind of what you're referring to. You're probably aware of Eben's story, i.e. that he has earned 100 million dollars over the past 10 years selling his self-made information products. I'm all for creating my own products, even if they're purely "informational" products. If Eben can do it, then anyone can. It's a matter of choice, I believe. The choices we make shape our world.

KD

[NCMedia]

Ok so you understand the difference between adsense and what most here are about now.

If you'd like = take the 30 day challenge - it will really open you up to our world, including the vendor part.

[DanielLambert]

Hey there SYSOP,

In your "MUST READ, MUST READ" thread for the noobs, you state the following: "CREATE A THREAD SOMEWHERE ELSE and ask anything you've ever wanted about our world. Chances are whatever level you are at - others here will be able to help you, or also learn with you - CREATE A THREAD and get your noob or intermediate days over with asap" => http://forums.nichechoppers.com/step...must-read.html

Now, I identified myself, in my self-introductory opening thread, as a noob trying to make his first online sale. So basically I haven't done so well, and have a huge personal debt-load to show for it. So, I am looking for answers and I created this thread to get some answers about Joel Comm and if he has something that will help my online business, and while I got some useful advice, not a single person asked me what the nature of my business was and what it was the Joel had that I thought might help me.

So, thinking that if I just provided some more information about what he had that I was interested in, maybe it would attract some detailed and practical responses. Instead, I am accused of being a spammer trying "an affiliate ploy." If that is the nature of the friendship and help offered on this site, then perhaps I have made a mistake and came to the wrong place for help.

What I was hoping for was someone to give me some advice on Adsense courses something like Comm's. Maybe his course is old and outdated, or way over-priced. Maybe there is a much better one that I don't know about. Maybe Adsense is a complete waste of time. I don't know and that's why I created this thread: to get some answers, and not shit thrown at me.

Where are the website rules and polices? I looked for them and could not see them, probably because I'm half-blind. Thanks.

Adsense won't make you any money unless you have a heavy heavy traffic site and the time you spend on building such a site could be spent making much more money with affiliate products with much less work.

[kdmcrae69]

If you'd like = take the 30 day challenge - it will really open you up to our world, including the vendor part.

The 30 Day Challenge looks great but quite time consuming, and so it'll have to wait, unfortunately, as I really have way too much on my plate at the present time; but thanks for putting it together. I looked it over quickly, especially the first week, and was extremely impressed with the lay-out or structure of the business plan.

KD

[kdmcrae69]

Adsense won't make you any money unless you have a heavy heavy traffic site and the time you spend on building such a site could be spent making much more money with affiliate products with much less work.

Thanks Daniel. I was planning to build several sites, with anywhere from 3 to 6 of them being authority sites, drawing thousands of visitors per day. Owning a site like You Tube or Facebook is on my agenda as well, at least for now. Who knows how the plan will evolve as I grow my business? Maybe the authority sites, and mega social sites won't be a key part of it a couple years from now. I'll have to take that as it comes. Regarding the Adsense, I have read comments, here and there online, that there are higher paying ad programs out there. Have you ever heard that?

[bluffspot]

I can be a little slow on the uptake at time, but are you accusing me of something? If you're not, then please excuse my stupidity.

Sounds like you took offense to my remark, and yes, I'm suggesting the post is somewhat spammy - but please understand the community you have joined... and, with statements like this:

...his AdSense Premier Boxed Set Course, which normally retailed for $2000.00, but is currently on sale for $77.00.

and...

...extensive collection of Adsense templates that appealed to me; some of which he describes as "new and different from the standard Instant AdSense Templates collection;" and those "new and different" templates come with resale rights, which seems like a good thing to someone looking at including the Adsense program into their online business.

And Finally:

...and so the third item in Joel's box which appealed to me was 12 hard copies of his own monthly mag, called the "Top One Report,' for just over the price of a single copy, which sells for $30.00 per month. I have not purchased it / them yet but the sale will end some time this morning...

This is what you should have started with maybe...

What I was hoping for was someone to give me some advice on Adsense courses something like Comm's. Maybe his course is old and outdated, or way over-priced. Maybe there is a much better one that I don't know about. Maybe Adsense is a complete waste of time. I don't know and that's why I created this thread: to get some answers, and not shit thrown at me.

As a copywriter I read through tons of pages per month and statements like these tend to be leading the buildup of a push. As well, your minimal amount of posts and then of course bringing up the rules...

This is a really great, tight-nit community full of some very talented people - and posts like these simply raise red lettering. I too had to learn when I first joined... one of my first posts was pure spam... not ashamed to admit it - but I didn't really know the community and as a marketer - finding a room full of newbies with money is like barrel fishing.... and then... Vadym smacked me - I sat back, re-evaluated the site - read through more posts, then apologized and got into helping others - I knew this site was for real.

So, in short, if you are offended by my statement, I'll simply ask you to re-evaluate how your post comes across - take it as you want. Even harmless Sesame Street Muppets say things that can be misinterpreted...

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