Niche Choppers Is Going On CB As A Product...

**NCMedia** · 01-22-2009, 04:05 PM

Greetings gang.

This announcement is exciting and touchy at the same time, however we can't hide it any longer so without further ado...

Within the next month or two tops - NicheChoppers is going to be turning into a CB product (product is already there as 'ichop'). This means that the forum is going to be a paid service.

*Certain aspects of the forum will remain free for guests to view (aff program listings/general support)...
*We've added a new tabbed navigation element that separates the content and learning curve better.
*There are now 'ClickBank Launches/Listings' available where I'm finally going to let members announce and promote their programs here as well (certain conditions apply).
*We've added a MarketPlace sub-forum - feel free to use it but don't abuse it/spam it.

**Everyone that is at least EPIC status - will remain free. If you're not at EPIC status - get posting! Simply make sure you have 50 posts before we go paid and you get promoted to EPIC.

Why are we doing this?
*The information on this forum along with it's member base is too valuable to have just anyone come/sweep/steal just for signing up and lurking...
*The member count is enough for me to consider this a big enough family
*The activities and colaborations here are a true testament to networking and it shouldn't be easy to get into this group anymore.
*Instead of setting up referral competitions, I think this is much easier to reward people with, and will be quite easy to sell for everyone because you're so intimate with this place (I will have aff materials ready/handy soon). In fact this should be one of the products that gets some good attention from affs.

Pricing: (recurring)
$19/month
$47/quarter
$160/annual

CBID: ichop

Payout: 75% (recurring)

We're not doing any $4.95 trials because in my experience it attracts the wrong demo and it becomes a battle for cancellations for those that 'forgot' to cancel... This will filter out cheap leads and keep the community free of leechers....

Launch date - You'll know soon enough

I'm in the background developing the next products and may not be as readily available in the near. Please reach out to Ashley if you need more details.

Thanks guys, it's been a blast watching the community grow, and now that so many are becoming publishers and bigger earners - it should be fun to watch this unfold and grow to the next level...

NC.

**mill123** · 01-22-2009, 04:14 PM

i see. well good luck it it mate! im sure you guys will make it work as you always do.

**Vadym** · 01-22-2009, 04:44 PM

Hah. How did I guess?

Well, actually, it was pretty funny after the "we won't use your articles to make money, but the product they'll be a part of will be!"

I kind of got the hint.

**Ashley** · 01-22-2009, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Vadym

Hah. How did I guess?

Well, actually, it was pretty funny after the "we won't use your articles to make money, but the product they'll be a part of will be!"

I kind of got the hint.

Lol there not linked atall im afraid mate! Toottallly different system. You'll see

**NCMedia** · 01-22-2009, 04:56 PM

That thread has nothing to do with this V.

**NCMedia** · 01-22-2009, 05:02 PM

Jimz raised a few great questions, my response:

* Only new members will pay.

* I don't expect this to really fly or make millions, and have enough people here to stop the new members anyway and continue monetizing with just the group that has been formed.

* I need to start assigning and paying people for support and the board is starting to require more and more of my time/cost/attention.

* I agree it's sensitive that members may feel like their valuable info is now being monetized, however it also means that the content created is there for them to monetize as well. If this raises a big stink I'll move more stuff into vip.

* The original reason for the forum was to support affiliates, which it will always do for free (certain sections will be guest enabled). However as more and more people come on board and need one on one help, and the dilution I'm now seeing by everyone also publishing products and abusing this place in small incremental ways - I have no choice but to open it up and expand from its original 'support forum'. It is outgrowing itself so instead of fighting sensitive issues with top members I'd rather let this place be more open and networking enabled for everyone - and I don't think it should be free to join this network of people/guidance anymore above and beyond the original needs of each program...

Feel free to ask questions and be open about all this I do appreciate your concern and feedback Jim, and everyone else.

Thanks,
NC

**kingwallace** · 01-22-2009, 06:17 PM

This is awesome....I guess I'll have to step my game up a few notches and deliver some A+ content to this board. I've just been extra busy trying and testing, testing again, split testing, testing again a lot of various things in the IM/AM game. Look forward to some great posts from me in the near future.

**lucidflux** · 01-22-2009, 06:49 PM

Hmmm, interesting decision. This is what every forum besides dp has done, and I guess it works and is cost effective in the long run.

Going to be honest here, as it seems to be taken well by you and your m8s:

This seems like just another product and it feels to me as an affiliate that you are spread everywhere, that's why I really never commit full force on these products, maybe that is an inevitability of ridding a wave of popularity with all products on the net........don't know......but this style seems to lack concentrated force that would get people to get behind a product or 2 100%

NOW, HERE IS WHERE EVERYTHING COULD CHANGE 100%

IMHO, if it were me that were in your shoes, I would stop making 10s of other CB products and just focus on selling the forum as a product and upgrade its content with help from us so we are all making this product better and more in depth, and then we ALL would sell it and it would bring large recurrings, and constant upsells, etc, for everyone. That is probably something that we could all get behind as a viable long term solution. Because we all need to constantly learn this stuff, hone our skills, so might as well continually monetize it. And MMO is one of the few things that you can really price to the sky for all different facets of the business. So, if I were you, I would focus on just this and make it HUGE.

OF COURSE, the competition is fierce(Wicked fire and warrior forum), but we have a global market here, so I think there is enough room.

Most interesting part of this would be how don't we cannabalize each others aff links.........I think......because once they get here and there are great platinum areas to get access to, or tools, then you(Norb) only get compensated for them in perpetuity, however, the brand is constantly becoming stronger from added content so it makes it an easier sell.

And ideally, of course, you would eventually make it a school on the beach where you could teach English to little kids,hahaha

**Emon878** · 01-22-2009, 07:01 PM

Norb great idea I like it, mainly because I signed up before it goes paid and I can feel special.

Anyway for this are you going to do a 8 week action plan type thing like at Wealthy Affiliate?
I'm sure you already know but basically its 8 (or how many ever week) plan to help people get
started. And they cannot skip ahead. They have to wait till the next week to actually get the next part,
which would make members stay for at least 2 months and within these 2 months they will become part
of the forum and inevitably stay for longer.

**lucidflux** · 01-22-2009, 07:14 PM

For tutorials or whatever that would be added Im guessing that people who make them could be compensated a % based on future sales. Regardless, I believe this should be pushed in multiple languages to every country that has Internet free from the chains of government.

**willyboy104** · 01-22-2009, 07:36 PM

This was slightly unexpected however judging from the forums recent changes and suspicous activity (Ashley

) I think it was on its way.

Anyways, excellent idea. I would definitely promote the forum and I will definitely start writing some incredible articles for the site. I am just considering though is there some sort of incentive for article writers for the site other than a possibility of commission if they promote the forum?

**lucidflux** · 01-22-2009, 08:55 PM

If it's recurring commission then it's a decent incentive to build it out so you continue to receive the %. Beyond that I am sure there are ways for compensation.

**NCMedia** · 01-22-2009, 11:25 PM

I just did some math on this for potential projections:

We have 3 price points:
$19/month @ 75% commission = you keep $13.90/month per sale (rounded)
Get 10 people = $139/month
100 people = $1390/month
1000 people = $13,900/month

** To date I've made well over 10,000 transactions through CB as an aff and pub - I'm thinking, if even 25% of those were recurring residuals like above with a 6-12month retention rate, and it was a program I was already a deep part of and enjoyed, it would have made me a lot more and truly automated an overlapping growth...

Second price point is $47/quarter and annual memberships will be $160, all price points will recur and be at 75% commission.

RE the 8 week course - I feel the forum is split up enough and has stickies in relevant sections that it facilitates a 'learn at your own pace, any angle' atmosphere which may be a more open approach. None the less the sales page will also include other benefits for joining (for both aff and pub).

RE other forms of compensation, as this progresses I'm sure we'll find other avenues to explore and ways to build further incentive.

Keep the feedback coming everyone.
N.

**lucidflux** · 01-23-2009, 12:10 AM

As a base level, maybe those would be good figures, but I would think at least $50/month @ 75%. Look at a place like ESlime articles, they charge 97/month for the privilege of giving them content. WickedFire(hi guys) is 55/month for education area, not sure about Wforum for the master minds or whatever they have going, but there should be an upgrade that has good content that is pushed hard, 13 base alone with good access seems a bit too low for affiliates to take a quick look and think they could push this with one or two other products and make a living.

**Ganceann** · 01-23-2009, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by lucidflux

As a base level, maybe those would be good figures, but I would think at least $50/month @ 75%. Look at a place like ESlime articles, they charge 97/month for the privilege of giving them content. WickedFire(hi guys) is 55/month for education area, not sure about Wforum for the master minds or whatever they have going, but there should be an upgrade that has good content that is pushed hard, 13 base alone with good access seems a bit too low for affiliates to take a quick look and think they could push this with one or two other products and make a living.

9s and 7s on the end price point are always good... and the only price point I feel is out of place is the annual at $160... I would have done $147 - making it more appealing.

The point is that this forum as a product would not be the main reason why people are promoting it as an affiliate - it would be the information on the forum enables affiliates to make money from strategies appearing on the forum and OTHER products listed in the forum. The recurring fee would be a bonus rather than the reason to promote the forum.

**Ashley** · 01-23-2009, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by lucidflux

As a base level, maybe those would be good figures, but I would think at least $50/month @ 75%. Look at a place like ESlime articles, they charge 97/month for the privilege of giving them content. WickedFire(hi guys) is 55/month for education area, not sure about Wforum for the master minds or whatever they have going, but there should be an upgrade that has good content that is pushed hard, 13 base alone with good access seems a bit too low for affiliates to take a quick look and think they could push this with one or two other products and make a living.

$50 a month?? Thats wayy to high!

When you look at e.g. WA, and you see just how much is there, its worth the money, we start charging $600 a year and you'll all of a sudden notice no members sign up.

If we had 20k members thats a different story.

But as Gan said, we should all be promoting the board anyway, its now just a bonus that we can do it thru CB and get a nice little commission too!

**willyboy104** · 01-23-2009, 04:54 AM

I agree with Ashley, $19 a month is a perfect price for the current size of the forum, I think the overall yearly fee should be knocked down a little bit though like Ganceann said, perhaps $157 or something similiar.

Could you maybe add this as an incentive not sure if it would work, but people who join the forum perhaps get a higher commission rate on all your products. That would be an excellent incentive but I am not sure if you can physically do this.

You could also add the current members eBooks to a big fat bonus package of eBooks. For example I have three eBooks currently that I give away on my blog and I'd be happy to add them to some sort of bonus package for people here.

Lets say you take my three, a couple of your own and some of other members and make a package of about 20 eBooks approximately 200,000 words and word it nicely it would just be a good incentive for people. You could have eBooks on SEO, Keyword Research, Articlie Marketing, Blogging, Affiliate Marketing, Clickbank guide.

The benefit to the people who are adding the eBooks to the package would be that our affialite links are in the package and within mine I have links back to my blog.

Just an idea.
Will.

**smart4xtrader** · 01-23-2009, 05:53 AM

I guess since I am new I better get posting.

**The Bird of Prey** · 01-23-2009, 08:33 AM

If I had a nickle for every forum I've participated in that went "paid" and 'grandfathered' me in...

Wait a minute! This one is going to let me get a piece of the pie? Hallelujah!!

Once again Norb takes it to another level... and does it the right way I might add. Sure there will be a few tweaks but this is a brilliant idea.

I do have a question though regarding linking...

Is it possible to add our referrer ID to a link to a specific post? so that a visitor could be directed to a specific post (perhaps on a topic they are interested in) and when they sign up we get proper credit?

for example:
http://forums.nichechoppers.com/hot-...referrerid=781

TTFN

BOP

**BenderFry** · 01-23-2009, 08:42 AM

Great idea Norb! I truly believe that this move will only improve the situation here at NC.

This should be fun!

**PlatinumPi4u** · 01-23-2009, 11:18 AM

well count me in

I just need to hit that VIP....

**Blackman** · 01-23-2009, 11:40 AM

Good idea, but I think apart from EPIC posts, this forum should have something more, before it can become paid.

Valuable advice is gold, but I think it's kinda a rip-off to pay monthly ONLY for that...

WA is a good example. I believe their forum also has tons of great threads, but they have much more than just a forum.

**hornetss** · 01-23-2009, 02:17 PM

Sounds like we were supposed to get attached to the forum and then we are going to have a pay a decent fee each month. I dont like this idea at all
You will loose 80 Percent of your members Including me

**Emon878** · 01-23-2009, 02:25 PM

Did you not read the post hornetss? He said current
EPIC members (that's you) will not have to pay.

**Vadym** · 01-23-2009, 02:33 PM

From what I understood, anyone who registered before it becomes paid does not have to pay.

**Ashley** · 01-23-2009, 04:43 PM

Lets clear this up.

All members who are currently registered DO NOT pay a single penny.

Only new members (once we go paid 4) will pay the fee.

Cheers

**Ashley** · 01-24-2009, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by The Bird of Prey

I do have a question though regarding linking...

Is it possible to add our referrer ID to a link to a specific post? so that a visitor could be directed to a specific post (perhaps on a topic they are interested in) and when they sign up we get proper credit?

for example:
http://forums.nichechoppers.com/hot-...referrerid=781

TTFN

BOP

Hey BOP,

Sorry it wont work like that. You refer the standard CB way - username.ichop.hop.clickbank.net

That will then point to a sales page for the forum, vBulletin is not integrated with tracking a vBulletin cookie and a CB cookie.

However, if you used a referrer link, you would gain refer points here, but if they then paid for the forums, you wouldn't have a sale, and thats next to impossible to fix up.

Plus: That link above wont work (i think), you must have it after a php page, so register.php, index.php etc

Your referral link can be found in your User CP, and you can edit the php file name there.

Cheers

**ruud** · 01-25-2009, 01:29 AM

Great idea!

**mikey1090** · 01-25-2009, 03:58 PM

About time really.

**NCMedia** · 01-25-2009, 11:44 PM

Glad to see the responses are mostly positive. The more I think about it, the more comfortable I am with it. This is a learning center like no other, like no ebook or audio/video course - and it will still come with a lot of material above and beyond the forum membership. Those that want to contribute a piece/book/whateva - cool, I'll make my infamous ebook boxes/CD's/graphics in turn for you to use however you wish as a perk.

There are a lot of things happening in the studio, and many launches that will be taking place over the next few months. Timing is crucial for me on all of them. Still, I feel that selling this place should come naturally and easy for everyone.

Cheers, hope everyone had a good weekend.
N

**willyboy104** · 01-26-2009, 06:30 AM

Just a suggestion that you could make a page for people to give away their free eBooks and videos or whatever it may be so that we can teach others with information we have already written as well as Niche Chopper members benefiting from the free information available.

**lucidflux** · 01-26-2009, 03:28 PM

Retention with this is going to be very interesting....As long as content stays worthy and timely then they should want to stick around, however, some may bail after copying and pasting everything they can get there hands on, hopefully inertia gets the better of them

**NCMedia** · 01-26-2009, 07:01 PM

Yeh you're right - retention should be interesting. I feel that with all the pre-launches, new partners/publishers and enhanced learning/fast-tracking peoples curves it should be an honor to be a part of this place for so cheap. I'm also thinking that by this time next year we may have to re-structure again re pricing and deliverables.

There are a few more surprises happening here as well - this place should be singing with increased value by the time we launch.

N.

**Brandon** · 01-27-2009, 12:43 AM

Sounds great. I better get my post count up because I wan't to be a part of this.

**lancelot** · 01-27-2009, 01:20 AM

You know what, it'd be great to have something like Cb-Analytics, just for the NC Forums, some kind of tool or script that analyzes info from ClickBank, like WealthyAffiliates has, this will increase the perceived value

Just my Two cents.

**Ashley** · 01-27-2009, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by lancelot

You know what, it'd be great to have something like Cb-Analytics, just for the NC Forums, some kind of tool or script that analyzes info from ClickBank, like WealthyAffiliates has, this will increase the perceived value

Just my Two cents.

Haha, We're one step ahead my friend.

**willyboy104** · 01-27-2009, 08:25 AM

oooo

its a great idea to put the CB analytics sort of thing on here.

**mikey1090** · 01-27-2009, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by willyboy104

oooo

its a great idea to put the CB analytics sort of thing on here.

Wait and see what the easter bunny brings. Muhahahahaha

**NCMedia** · 01-27-2009, 04:18 PM

It's so hard to keep things from our members lol - fack it's like you guys could smell it coming. Analytics eh? Wait until you see what we have coming out in beta within the next few weeks to a month...

If this isn't a leak I don't know what is.
N.

**elhusseiny** · 01-28-2009, 11:43 AM

I like your forum and I really want to promote it..

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